Comments on: Experience with White Crane Spreads Wing Application

By: silkreeling

silkreeling — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 03:33:33 +0000

Wujimon,
i think what i said was when you quiet your mind in your practice then you can exercise the intention. It has less to do with the conscious mind, such as trying to do both at the same time. This may be what CXW meant but was not reflected/ translated well in the article; or maybe it is just selective retention which we are all guilty of sometimes.

to me, this aspect is true for all taiji, as it consistently show up in good magazine articles, books - yes even from obsecure or un-othordox lineages - and teachers of taiji/ internal arts who are open about their teachings.

Just as a person of advanced age shouldn’t engage in too much strenous phyical activities, a person with a weak heart shouldn’t choose fast cars! Interesting world!

By: zenmindsword

zenmindsword — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 01:29:29 +0000

wujimon, i think by now you may have realize or suspect that sometimes it not the student’s problem that he cannot achieve quietude. its simply the way the system is designed! eg. if a car is not designed to take a corner fast now matter how hard you try to drive it you can never do it a sometimes the solution is simply to find a car that is designed to perform the task of taking a corner fast and voila! you have your solution

By: wujimon

wujimon — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:12:55 +0000

Hi ZMS:
Currently, I am unable to split the mind’s focus. I couldn’t help but to think about the qi paths during movements. As such, my mind is never really quiet.

I just blamed it on my own level of mental development, thinking I just needed to work harder and force the mind to split.

Today, I no longer tread down this path. I just enjoy the quietude of the yang path

By: zenmindsword

zenmindsword — Tue, 19 Jun 2007 08:49:12 +0000

wujimon, how do you split the mind’s focus? try it and you’ll see the reality of this advice

By: wujimon

wujimon — Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:37:20 +0000

@Silkreeling:
Interesting point where you stated: “The more you think about the silkreeing qi route, the further away you’re from being quite”. HOW TRUE!! I know CXW advocates that only 50% of the mind should focus on the qi stuff while the remainder of the mind should focus on being quiet and calm.

It’s funny, but when I first started chen, I felt way more connected. However, the more I learned in chen, the more I realized how far I have to go in regards to qi path, physical alignment, quietude, etc that it just blew me away. Now I think way too much when I do chen.

Not sure if it’s just a case of “ignorance is bliss” in my previous days or what..

By: silkreeling

silkreeling — Sun, 17 Jun 2007 10:37:10 +0000

just started to move house and taking a rest and not gone thru any of the comments. your last para caught my eye.

in any taiji, once your mind is quiet, intention will surface and you can start to exercise them. it’s like the more you think about the silkreeling qi route the further away you’re from being quiet.

chen is more physically demanding so yes it also takes more effort to get to being quiet….but if you’re not quiet in your practice, the door of taiji is not even in sight - whatever the style you choose.

ok, keep up the practice….more in my house needs to be done!!!!

By: chessman71

chessman71 — Fri, 08 Jun 2007 02:45:35 +0000

ZMS,
You’re funny. Intention is the whole cloth that we work from. We just use a different model of when compared to yours.

As to me being too “frightened” to try your puzzle challenge…well…I don’t know what to do except grin at that. I needed a laugh this morning. Thanks.

By: zenmindsword

zenmindsword — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 09:44:17 +0000

ha, ha dave, i can understand if topics like intention frightens you a bit and by not wanting to try it out you are actually dare i say it……yes, what the hell, you can scold me later……..retreating into a cultish protective behaviour shell
if you tell me my reality check does not include grappling i’ll agree with you to say that if someone can get me on the ground i’ll tap and say uncle right away. i know what i am not capable of no reason for me to be frightened of what threat a grappler represents and to run away from it

i’ll be looking forward to your posts as usual. i may not agree with everything but i still like to read it anyway. i can use some of your reality check too

By: chessman71

chessman71 — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 07:51:37 +0000

ZMS,
Well, that’s okay. You can keep the second part for yourself and the people that already agree with you. I didn’t feel the need to see it, anyway.

As for me not being bothered to check my understanding of reality, I get my reality checked every week from my teacher in my own paradigm. So I don’t exactly need that from an outside source.

However, I do totally agree with you about Adolf and his mind power. That’s why I mentioned cults to you recently.

But don’t worry. I’m going to be posting LOTS about that topic soon, so you’ll know more about where I’m coming from.

By: zenmindsword

zenmindsword — Thu, 07 Jun 2007 01:19:32 +0000

but of course you didn’t see the 2nd puzzle which i protected with a password in Pumping Mental Iron X (Final) Part 2 of 2 - this is a puzzle to tickle the mind as to what to do when one is confronted by say a xingyi opponent coming with a powerful horse shape fist but if the reader can’t even be bothered to try out the 1st puzzle just to give a reality check on his understanding of intention, should i owe it to everybody to just let them read and go away thinking oh yeah, another unrealistic, cultish BS about using mind that is for the sake of doing it. its not for no reason that masters keep certain aspects of what they do secret. power can corrupt and we can’t have too many people running around with stuff that can do harm to other people do we? adolf hitler probably could get his ass handed to him by most martial artists but when it comes to killing his mind force is certainly frightening! (you must be wondering why hitler? - that is because i studied hitler in high school and he certainly is an interesting character in many ways notwithstanding the horrible things that he did later)