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		<title>By: wujimon</title>
		<link>http://wujimon.com/2006/07/30/why-stomp/#comment-1908</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 13:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Chong. Thanks for your comments.

I guess many people are practicing the stomp too early, then eh? I fear many, including myself, are probably not doing the stomp correctly. Perhaps this is rarely explained, such a shame.

In my understanding the chen laojia, when stomping, the foot does not change any direction. It's just put down. However, preceding the stomp can be a change in direction (ie.. flash the back). Are you saying the foot direction changes when stomping? If so, what movement has this?

If one is put in a 'wrong footed' position, I think we need to further explore the move and see if it's justifiable or applicable. To me, doesn't sound too smart to do something that would put us in a bad position. Perhaps this is why other style do not stomp? Do they always move in such a way that they remain in good, advantageous positions?

As for the psychological shock, if "flash the back" is done correctly, shouldn't be opponent be on the ground? Why need to shock him if he's already down? Also, stomps are usually accompanied with 1-footed turns, if turning on 1 foot is not a good thing to do, is it better to stomp and try to scare an opponent? If we assume our opponents to be well-trained martial artists, can we think a stomp would shock them?

As for dropping the weight from the kua area, shouldn't the weight be redirected to the ground? Why keep weight in the kua in the first place?

Thanks again for your comments, but I fear they have caused more questioning from me. Please provide further insight to clarify given points.
Thanks for your time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chong. Thanks for your comments.</p>
<p>I guess many people are practicing the stomp too early, then eh? I fear many, including myself, are probably not doing the stomp correctly. Perhaps this is rarely explained, such a shame.</p>
<p>In my understanding the chen laojia, when stomping, the foot does not change any direction. It&#8217;s just put down. However, preceding the stomp can be a change in direction (ie.. flash the back). Are you saying the foot direction changes when stomping? If so, what movement has this?</p>
<p>If one is put in a &#8216;wrong footed&#8217; position, I think we need to further explore the move and see if it&#8217;s justifiable or applicable. To me, doesn&#8217;t sound too smart to do something that would put us in a bad position. Perhaps this is why other style do not stomp? Do they always move in such a way that they remain in good, advantageous positions?</p>
<p>As for the psychological shock, if &#8220;flash the back&#8221; is done correctly, shouldn&#8217;t be opponent be on the ground? Why need to shock him if he&#8217;s already down? Also, stomps are usually accompanied with 1-footed turns, if turning on 1 foot is not a good thing to do, is it better to stomp and try to scare an opponent? If we assume our opponents to be well-trained martial artists, can we think a stomp would shock them?</p>
<p>As for dropping the weight from the kua area, shouldn&#8217;t the weight be redirected to the ground? Why keep weight in the kua in the first place?</p>
<p>Thanks again for your comments, but I fear they have caused more questioning from me. Please provide further insight to clarify given points.<br />
Thanks for your time.</p>
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		<title>By: chong</title>
		<link>http://wujimon.com/2006/07/30/why-stomp/#comment-1909</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 06:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>on the article mentioning about feng Zhiqiang, he only mentioned about dou jin is bad for health. If stomping is not done properly, may cause injury esp the knee. Not to mention that the body is mainly made up of fluid, so undesire vibration to the body is to be avoided. Stomping is to be done in "song". Yi song will lead to Xing song.(for beginner, xing and yi is not linked, hence focus on XING, =&#62;xing song will slowly lead to yi song if practice long enough). The more song you are, the louder will be the stomp.

purposes of Stomp :
1)is for changing of foot step in order to get in to a advantage position (especially when you are wrong footed) and
2)at the same time create a psychological shock to the opponent.
3) Stomping helps teach the student to drop the weight of the body from the kua area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>on the article mentioning about feng Zhiqiang, he only mentioned about dou jin is bad for health. If stomping is not done properly, may cause injury esp the knee. Not to mention that the body is mainly made up of fluid, so undesire vibration to the body is to be avoided. Stomping is to be done in &#8220;song&#8221;. Yi song will lead to Xing song.(for beginner, xing and yi is not linked, hence focus on XING, =&gt;xing song will slowly lead to yi song if practice long enough). The more song you are, the louder will be the stomp.</p>
<p>purposes of Stomp :<br />
1)is for changing of foot step in order to get in to a advantage position (especially when you are wrong footed) and<br />
2)at the same time create a psychological shock to the opponent.<br />
3) Stomping helps teach the student to drop the weight of the body from the kua area.</p>
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		<title>By: lifegivingsword</title>
		<link>http://wujimon.com/2006/07/30/why-stomp/#comment-1907</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My favorite jump crescent moment: on Mondays we practiced in the gym at Virginia Commonwealth University, which had a sort of 2nd floor that ran around the edges, making a balcony over the basketball courts. Anyway, i was wearing shoes that didn't stay on so well, so out comes the jump-spin-crescent, off comes the shoe, sailing like a meteor down to the basketball court. I then have to go downstairs-with only 1 shoe on-and get it. Fortunately it didnt hit anyone. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite jump crescent moment: on Mondays we practiced in the gym at Virginia Commonwealth University, which had a sort of 2nd floor that ran around the edges, making a balcony over the basketball courts. Anyway, i was wearing shoes that didn&#8217;t stay on so well, so out comes the jump-spin-crescent, off comes the shoe, sailing like a meteor down to the basketball court. I then have to go downstairs-with only 1 shoe on-and get it. Fortunately it didnt hit anyone. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: wujimon</title>
		<link>http://wujimon.com/2006/07/30/why-stomp/#comment-1906</link>
		<dc:creator>wujimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Sep 2006 04:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi LGS.
I can see the reverb thing for movements like golden stork stands on one leg and such, but I don't feel it for moves like "flash the back" and the like where the stomp is accompanied by a downward drop into a bowstance for prepping the fajing.

AS for the wushu jump front slap kick, there's definitely quite a bit of biomechanics in play to get that extra "lift" mid-way in the air. When I used to do it, it was the result of a "pull-down" of the left leg, to kick with the right. In addition, the ricochet is interesting in that most jump front slap or butterfly kicks are preceeded by a 'hop', however the same is not true for movements like the spinning outer slap crescent kicks.

Wow.. that was mind warp thinking about my wushu days. I was tempted to try a jumping outer crescent kick, but last time I did that cold, I was out cold for 2 weeks :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi LGS.<br />
I can see the reverb thing for movements like golden stork stands on one leg and such, but I don&#8217;t feel it for moves like &#8220;flash the back&#8221; and the like where the stomp is accompanied by a downward drop into a bowstance for prepping the fajing.</p>
<p>AS for the wushu jump front slap kick, there&#8217;s definitely quite a bit of biomechanics in play to get that extra &#8220;lift&#8221; mid-way in the air. When I used to do it, it was the result of a &#8220;pull-down&#8221; of the left leg, to kick with the right. In addition, the ricochet is interesting in that most jump front slap or butterfly kicks are preceeded by a &#8216;hop&#8217;, however the same is not true for movements like the spinning outer slap crescent kicks.</p>
<p>Wow.. that was mind warp thinking about my wushu days. I was tempted to try a jumping outer crescent kick, but last time I did that cold, I was out cold for 2 weeks <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: lifegivingsword</title>
		<link>http://wujimon.com/2006/07/30/why-stomp/#comment-1905</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Sep 2006 00:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the nei jia stomp is a "rebounding energy" trick. its kind of like a more vigorous version of the downward vectoring that you do with p'eng ch'uan. e.g. you vector down, then send it back up. xingyiquan uses this in both peng ch'uan and p'ao ch'uan, with the idea that you are 'ricocheting' energy off the ground and back up your body. incidentally, my wushu coach stressed this as the secret to why advanced/professional wushu players jump so bloody high. he emphasized the ricochet effect and also that the earth pushes back when you "attack" it thus. he used to be the coach for the shanghai team and wrote what i hear is a rather influential paper on the mechanics of the wushu jump, but unfortunately i cant read chinese yet. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the nei jia stomp is a &#8220;rebounding energy&#8221; trick. its kind of like a more vigorous version of the downward vectoring that you do with p&#8217;eng ch&#8217;uan. e.g. you vector down, then send it back up. xingyiquan uses this in both peng ch&#8217;uan and p&#8217;ao ch&#8217;uan, with the idea that you are &#8216;ricocheting&#8217; energy off the ground and back up your body. incidentally, my wushu coach stressed this as the secret to why advanced/professional wushu players jump so bloody high. he emphasized the ricochet effect and also that the earth pushes back when you &#8220;attack&#8221; it thus. he used to be the coach for the shanghai team and wrote what i hear is a rather influential paper on the mechanics of the wushu jump, but unfortunately i cant read chinese yet. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: silkreeling</title>
		<link>http://wujimon.com/2006/07/30/why-stomp/#comment-1904</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Aug 2006 15:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am still figuring out lots of things. My latest thing is lifting the anus is not actually squeazzing or tensing the anus. It is the feeling attained when the tail bone is properly aligned, which is very subtle. You have been through this so remember the times when you think you have gotten something but the next day you are lost at square one or simply not consistently being able to realise a certain principle? This is what I mean when I say figuring out - it is the figuring out through practice rather than by intellectualisation. it wasn't until recently that things became slightly less vague. However emptiness is still vague. Thanks I need the luck. This will be my path until my situation change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am still figuring out lots of things. My latest thing is lifting the anus is not actually squeazzing or tensing the anus. It is the feeling attained when the tail bone is properly aligned, which is very subtle. You have been through this so remember the times when you think you have gotten something but the next day you are lost at square one or simply not consistently being able to realise a certain principle? This is what I mean when I say figuring out - it is the figuring out through practice rather than by intellectualisation. it wasn&#8217;t until recently that things became slightly less vague. However emptiness is still vague. Thanks I need the luck. This will be my path until my situation change.</p>
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		<title>By: zenmindsword</title>
		<link>http://wujimon.com/2006/07/30/why-stomp/#comment-1903</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Aug 2006 02:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Silkreeling,

your words (purposely put in BOLD)? "Stomping serves to disperse(san) your qi and dispersing is an important principle to achieving emptiness in your body. This is something i am still TRYING TO FIGURE OUT." If anything this shows that you don't understand what emptiness is. If you are on the right track, you won't have "TO FIGURE OUT". If this is not trying to intellectually understand or 2nd guess the process then i guess i'm wrong in understanding what you mean. Anyway, its your path - good luck to you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silkreeling,</p>
<p>your words (purposely put in BOLD)? &#8220;Stomping serves to disperse(san) your qi and dispersing is an important principle to achieving emptiness in your body. This is something i am still TRYING TO FIGURE OUT.&#8221; If anything this shows that you don&#8217;t understand what emptiness is. If you are on the right track, you won&#8217;t have &#8220;TO FIGURE OUT&#8221;. If this is not trying to intellectually understand or 2nd guess the process then i guess i&#8217;m wrong in understanding what you mean. Anyway, its your path - good luck to you</p>
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		<title>By: silkreeling</title>
		<link>http://wujimon.com/2006/07/30/why-stomp/#comment-1902</link>
		<dc:creator>silkreeling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2006 12:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Knowingfish has provided some good prose of where the long term goal lies, and these key points are also reflected in the chen classics.Infact, there are times of soft landing where I let my mind do the stomping and can still achieve die cha, just like how it is played by zhaobao and some chen people. So not everything about this discussion comes from second-guessing. A chen stomp done correctly is physically effortless. The less effort the louder the bang. This is one manisfestation of taiji.

Xing(form with obvious shape) is necessary for undertanding the shenfa(body method). Differentiating xing and yi so that they can be better combined is indeed a good method. Common ways to achieve this are through simple visualisation exercises during zhan zhuang and silk reeling exercises or even in the forms. Due to the static nature of  zhan zhuang postures, visualisation exercises are easier to attain through them than in the forms. But that is not to say that I don't incoporate them in the forms. This is my current level of understanding through practice, not second-guessing nor intellectualisation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Knowingfish has provided some good prose of where the long term goal lies, and these key points are also reflected in the chen classics.Infact, there are times of soft landing where I let my mind do the stomping and can still achieve die cha, just like how it is played by zhaobao and some chen people. So not everything about this discussion comes from second-guessing. A chen stomp done correctly is physically effortless. The less effort the louder the bang. This is one manisfestation of taiji.</p>
<p>Xing(form with obvious shape) is necessary for undertanding the shenfa(body method). Differentiating xing and yi so that they can be better combined is indeed a good method. Common ways to achieve this are through simple visualisation exercises during zhan zhuang and silk reeling exercises or even in the forms. Due to the static nature of  zhan zhuang postures, visualisation exercises are easier to attain through them than in the forms. But that is not to say that I don&#8217;t incoporate them in the forms. This is my current level of understanding through practice, not second-guessing nor intellectualisation.</p>
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		<title>By: wujimon</title>
		<link>http://wujimon.com/2006/07/30/why-stomp/#comment-1901</link>
		<dc:creator>wujimon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 12:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi ZMS.

Thanks for your insightful prose. Reminds me of the real secret to taiji, that is:

Practice, Practice, Practice

An another note, I'll have to explore this "mind stomp" notion, however I do like the fact that you noted how qi should be cultivated and not dispersed, which is one of the core reasons for training taiji, IMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi ZMS.</p>
<p>Thanks for your insightful prose. Reminds me of the real secret to taiji, that is:</p>
<p>Practice, Practice, Practice</p>
<p>An another note, I&#8217;ll have to explore this &#8220;mind stomp&#8221; notion, however I do like the fact that you noted how qi should be cultivated and not dispersed, which is one of the core reasons for training taiji, IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: zenmindsword</title>
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		<dc:creator>zenmindsword</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 09:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Song and San
An inseparable old couple they make

For when you see Song
You see San

The methods of Yang
Have no stomping

For how do you maintain Song
At the point of impacting forcefully?

And yet there is stomping in Yang
In High Pat on Horse

But its a mind stomp
Hence no "xing" impact

No "xing" impact means
The treasures of shen, yi, qi

Are maintained carefully
And qi is cultivated, not dispersed

Its a misunderstanding too common
When one does not follow the transmission

For the real objective is
To disperse "xing"

For only then can we say
Use intention, use no strength

And Song and San that old couple
Peacefully in harmony on the way they go</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Song and San<br />
An inseparable old couple they make</p>
<p>For when you see Song<br />
You see San</p>
<p>The methods of Yang<br />
Have no stomping</p>
<p>For how do you maintain Song<br />
At the point of impacting forcefully?</p>
<p>And yet there is stomping in Yang<br />
In High Pat on Horse</p>
<p>But its a mind stomp<br />
Hence no &#8220;xing&#8221; impact</p>
<p>No &#8220;xing&#8221; impact means<br />
The treasures of shen, yi, qi</p>
<p>Are maintained carefully<br />
And qi is cultivated, not dispersed</p>
<p>Its a misunderstanding too common<br />
When one does not follow the transmission</p>
<p>For the real objective is<br />
To disperse &#8220;xing&#8221;</p>
<p>For only then can we say<br />
Use intention, use no strength</p>
<p>And Song and San that old couple<br />
Peacefully in harmony on the way they go</p>
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